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Sep 3, 2023 8:34 AM

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Amazingly terrible update. As expected. I wish I could get a job where I'm getting paid for ruining things.
@Tiosar You mean like these guys?


I'm inactive enough that I guess it doesn't bother me much either way. I just poke around the episode discussions now and then.
Sep 3, 2023 8:40 AM
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For me is cool!!! kekeke
Sep 3, 2023 9:57 AM

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@EnaJane Since it’s not locked, you’re free to reply
@Fluffygreygrass another test

Edit: Ok conversation view for child replies is awful rn. It's putting my reply under the original comment instead of the one I choose to reply to and just simply quoting it. So what even is the use of the view, once there are too many replies it will be a pain to navigate through. It's also hard for someone new to know what makes quote and reply different.
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I was immensely devastated.
Sep 3, 2023 9:57 AM

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so this was the maintenance update eh well im trying the new conversation view now so far im neutral about it
@deg this fucking sucks
Sep 3, 2023 10:04 AM

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Another mid update. Forums are really the only thing MAL has on AniList at this point and they're tryna ruin that as well lol.
@kinotabii they wanna self sabotage so they can make money off bailing on the website fr
Sep 3, 2023 11:19 AM
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That's great news! Forum conversation view is now available. This feature is likely designed to improve the way users can interact and engage in forum discussions, making it easier to follow and participate in conversations.
Sep 3, 2023 12:56 PM
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Man how does this forum keep getting worse. @/ing people along with the ridiculously limited forum set sizes. I'm shocked anyone uses the forum part of this site anymore.
Sep 3, 2023 1:33 PM

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ROFL someone on the staff made a bot to try to cover up the shit show created. No one talks like this and it's a brand new account with no list entries and only one post.

12ralph said:
That's great news! Forum conversation view is now available. This feature is likely designed to improve the way users can interact and engage in forum discussions, making it easier to follow and participate in conversations.
Sep 3, 2023 2:41 PM
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Ugly and crappy. I hate it dude.
Sep 3, 2023 3:32 PM

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Well, I've been posting less and less as of late and I've considered leaving MAL forums and this is yet another reason for me to just abandon these forums entirely. We had a good run boys, goodbye forever. Fuck MAL.


I think the dark mode extension makes this look weird lol.
Sep 3, 2023 3:35 PM

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Wait, where's the quote option???
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Sep 3, 2023 3:38 PM

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Wait, where's the quote option???
Fatephile said:
Wait, where's the quote option???

Wow so now I have to manually highlight the text and quote it. Probably won't work on mobile.
Edit: I have no idea how this thing works.
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Sep 3, 2023 3:42 PM

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How do I switch between conversation and classic view?
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Sep 3, 2023 4:06 PM

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Fatephile said:
How do I switch between conversation and classic view?

The option is at the top right of the top post of the thread, where it says new in red

Sep 3, 2023 4:21 PM

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Fatephile said:
Wait, where's the quote option???

Wow so now I have to manually highlight the text and quote it. Probably won't work on mobile.
Edit: I have no idea how this thing works.
@Fatephile It actually doesn't work on mobile, at least if you are browsing MAL through a mobile browser.
Sep 3, 2023 4:45 PM

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very cool very swag i like it


Sep 3, 2023 5:34 PM

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ok guys, congrats on this wholly unnecessary change, but can we please get comments on peoples (va, authors etc) pages back already? or is that gone forever
Sep 3, 2023 6:07 PM

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I tried it and no thanks, it makes the forums look like r*ddit now. I'll stick to classic mode whenever I crawl out here.

Sep 3, 2023 9:32 PM

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ok guys, congrats on this wholly unnecessary change, but can we please get comments on peoples (va, authors etc) pages back already? or is that gone forever
@Klad I guess this one won't come back any time soon, if ever. I think it was a good decision to disable the ability to comment under VAs and authors pages. Sometimes you could see really toxic stuff happening there. I noticed it myself, and I wasn't even browsing those comments sections very often when they were still on.
Sep 3, 2023 10:50 PM

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Well, I've been posting less and less as of late and I've considered leaving MAL forums and this is yet another reason for me to just abandon these forums entirely. We had a good run boys, goodbye forever. Fuck MAL.


I think the dark mode extension makes this look weird lol.
@TheAngryNerd

Yeah I think that's mine (if not it happens in mine too) I will have to update it soon 😎
Sep 3, 2023 11:31 PM

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I don't use the forums nearly as much as I did back in 2014-2017 but man this change is really fucking bad lol. Why make changes that NOBODY asked for
Sep 4, 2023 1:00 AM

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This update was absolutely horrible.
It makes quoting posts an absolute nightmare.
Highlighting and attempting to quote a post copies the entire post and any other quotes the quoted post included (Including images and whatnot)
And the preview screen doesn't even show everything you've done, nor the BBCode other than the fact you quoted someone so you can't edit out images or extra quotes.
At least not easily or smoothly.
Either it's not working properly or I'm just plain stupid, even though I can make a post entirely using nothing but BBCode.
Sep 4, 2023 1:31 AM

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DoctorWasabi said:
Why make changes that NOBODY asked for

Because the moderators (who don't even post on the forum) like this better.
Sep 4, 2023 2:26 AM

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It's completely normal to make a change that the majority of users dislike, there's nothing particularly wrong with that. However, after getting to see their input regarding the changes, you have to reply to their wishes as they are the RBC of these forums and their interactions here is oxygen, it wouldn't do good for neither parties to be stubborn and egoist.
Sep 4, 2023 2:36 AM

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I don't use the forums nearly as much as I did back in 2014-2017 but man this change is really fucking bad lol. Why make changes that NOBODY asked for
@DoctorWasabi Thats MAL for you, making changes no one wants.
Sep 4, 2023 5:45 AM

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😳👆 A bot finally used some damn image BBcode? I've seen a million bot posts here but this is the first I've seen them use pics on MAL. If they all start doing this, the spam is about to get real...

Sep 4, 2023 6:07 AM

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😳👆 A bot finally used some damn image BBcode? I've seen a million bot posts here but this is the first I've seen them use pics on MAL. If they all start doing this, the spam is about to get real...

@Shishio-kun
I don't think this is the first time, I mean there already were bot users with profile picture and description before
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Sep 4, 2023 6:31 AM

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@Fatephile I've never seen the ad bots post a big ass suspect-as-fuck banner till now 😂
Sep 4, 2023 9:23 AM

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Although I was more of a fan of the old forum style, this is not bad at all
Sep 4, 2023 9:29 AM

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just another thing. Sort messages by their latest reply, so we can see what is the current active message in the thread.

the current "Newest" option is fine, it'd be good to add the third option which says "Active" so it can sort the way i mentioned above.
Sep 4, 2023 9:54 AM
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But why? BB code forums are just clearer and easier to read and interact with than whatever this reddit wannabe is.
Sep 4, 2023 10:52 AM

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ROFL someone on the staff made a bot to try to cover up the shit show created. No one talks like this and it's a brand new account with no list entries and only one post.

12ralph said:
That's great news! Forum conversation view is now available. This feature is likely designed to improve the way users can interact and engage in forum discussions, making it easier to follow and participate in conversations.
@traed
I don't believe the staff made that bot. I've been seeing the same sorts of bots in other threads unrelated to conversation view. My question is, why?
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?goto=post&topicid=2008040&id=69795434
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Sep 4, 2023 11:33 AM

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just another thing. Sort messages by their latest reply, so we can see what is the current active message in the thread.

the current "Newest" option is fine, it'd be good to add the third option which says "Active" so it can sort the way i mentioned above.
@NECOdes totally agreed with this suggestion im also using the newest sort option and an active sort option will be better
Sep 4, 2023 1:59 PM

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@Klad I guess this one won't come back any time soon, if ever. I think it was a good decision to disable the ability to comment under VAs and authors pages. Sometimes you could see really toxic stuff happening there. I noticed it myself, and I wasn't even browsing those comments sections very often when they were still on.
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I guess this one won't come back any time soon, if ever. I think it was a good decision to disable the ability to comment under VAs and authors pages. Sometimes you could see really toxic stuff happening there. I noticed it myself, and I wasn't even browsing those comments sections very often when they were still on.
Well personally I do not know much about the toxicity which prompted the staff to remove the feature, if it must've been bad then okay, but to me it seems like a lazy way to deal with it. The report button exists, or if you want to take an even more rigid approach then maybe limit comments to daily or something like that. Just so many ways to deal with that but they decided to remove a fundamental feature which connected user opinion to industry people.

They not only made it impossible to comment but also removed every single comment altogether. I guess spending your resources and effort on the "much-needed and requested" forum overhaul was more important.
Sep 4, 2023 4:14 PM

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Kineta said:
Filter option to see only "my" posts or "friends & me" posts (Conversation view only


can you also put search function on a thread just like other forum like vbulletin?
Sep 4, 2023 10:11 PM

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@Adnash
Adnash said:
I guess this one won't come back any time soon, if ever. I think it was a good decision to disable the ability to comment under VAs and authors pages. Sometimes you could see really toxic stuff happening there. I noticed it myself, and I wasn't even browsing those comments sections very often when they were still on.
Well personally I do not know much about the toxicity which prompted the staff to remove the feature, if it must've been bad then okay, but to me it seems like a lazy way to deal with it. The report button exists, or if you want to take an even more rigid approach then maybe limit comments to daily or something like that. Just so many ways to deal with that but they decided to remove a fundamental feature which connected user opinion to industry people.

They not only made it impossible to comment but also removed every single comment altogether. I guess spending your resources and effort on the "much-needed and requested" forum overhaul was more important.
Klad said:
Well personally I do not know much about the toxicity which prompted the staff to remove the feature, if it must've been bad then okay, but to me it seems like a lazy way to deal with it. The report button exists, or if you want to take an even more rigid approach then maybe limit comments to daily or something like that. Just so many ways to deal with that but they decided to remove a fundamental feature which connected user opinion to industry people.
Well, it's true that dealing with it this way was harsh. Removing a feature, alongside with deleting all comments, whether they were wholesome or toxic or neutral. I think it's up to everyone's opinion whether such drastic measurments were needed. In my opinion they kinda were, because even though I wasn't actively browsing those comments sections, I managed to notice without any problems comments that were really mean, resembling more of a moderate hate speech mixed with spam in some cases. But like I said, it's my subjective opinion and even I don't see it as a big deal. Like I said, my experience is based only on seeing few comments, among which there was a significant number of toxic ones. I can't tell if it was an actual trend, or if I was just unlucky enough to bump into such comments. I heard that the former was the reason of deleting this feature, so perhaps my experience was not that much far away from reality.

Klad said:
They not only made it impossible to comment but also removed every single comment altogether. I guess spending your resources and effort on the "much-needed and requested" forum overhaul was more important.
Haha, the scariest thing is that despite months of betatesting, it seems - according to what few people said earlier - that the version of forum we are now using was added on the very last minute. That's what I heard, anyway.
Sep 5, 2023 3:49 AM

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I've played with the new conversation view for a bit now. I've gotta admit it’s not been a great experience. I would be willing to leave it be and stick with the old view, but the new view has made it more annoying to use. Which y'know is fun...
Sep 5, 2023 3:54 AM

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I tested it for some days and it's just as bad as everyone says. Before it was immediately clear what I'm being quoted for, now I need to scroll through walls of quotes to figure out what the context is. Almost every post now has double quotes for whatever reason and also a lot of double posts. Using the forum has become even more confusing and unfun and that for a feature that maybe a single digit percentage will ever even use. You could've just added reddit view and leave classic view alone but despite many suggestions you just had to ruin it for everyone did you? Good job at killing yet another part of MAL @Kineta
Sep 5, 2023 5:51 AM

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@traed

ppl were already done with MAL forums when they released rule 7(iirc) and killed CE. The forum is really not what MAL should focus on, I think they should focus more on discord. I dont know. I think the old MAL pre-rule 7 was better, if I could ask devs to rollback to that patch I'd still be prolly enjoying my morning coffee whilst browsing MAL.

devs, you had the fucking power to nuke all the boards like CE when you had the chance, why not do it? I'd want it to be. This shithole is just not worth it.

wait you cant manual quote ppl now with their own message? MAL, my expectation when I was active on 2017-2019 was so fucking low that even to this day you outstand me with how much you can make it even lower. Good job y'all deserve a raise.
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Sep 5, 2023 6:21 AM
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A new bug that I don't know if anyone else has mentioned:

Before the update, when I would click on a post link, the forum page would load and then immediately jump down the page to the specific linked post, where the blue header bar of the post was at the top of the window. Very convenient, no scrolling required.

After the update, it has become inconsistent. The most common problem is that it no longer jumps down to the post where the header bar lines up with the top of the window. It jumps down to where the post is around the middle of the window. However, even this itself is inconsistent; half the time, it doesn't even jump down to the correct post. It'll jump to a few posts above the correct post, and I have to scroll down to find what I was looking for. (And just to clarify, I turned off all scripts I use with MAL to make sure they weren't causing the issue. I even opened the links into a new incognito window and the same thing was happening.)

I've tested this with all four post link formats, and the issue happens with all of them. Here's an old post of mine to use as an example:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/message/68999042?goto=topic
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2087496&msgid=68999042
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2087496&goto=post&id=68999042
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2087496&show=0&msgid=68999042#68999042

I know this isn't directly related to the topic of the thread, but it only started happening after this feature dropped, so hopefully someone sees it.

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Sep 5, 2023 12:30 PM

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ateks said:
Almost every post now has double quotes for whatever reason

Because a "reply" automatically quotes the users entire post now. In order to do a simple quote you have to:
1. highlight what you want to quote
2. click quote reply
3. copy the bbcode to the clipboard
4. click "new reply" at the bottom of the page
5. paste the bbcode into a new reply

So basically they overcomplicated what was once a simple click. I'm not even sure if this method notifies the person you are quoting though.
Sep 5, 2023 12:43 PM

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ateks said:
Almost every post now has double quotes for whatever reason

Because a "reply" automatically quotes the users entire post now. In order to do a simple quote you have to:
1. highlight what you want to quote
2. click quote reply
3. copy the bbcode to the clipboard
4. click "new reply" at the bottom of the page
5. paste the bbcode into a new reply

So basically they overcomplicated what was once a simple click. I'm not even sure if this method notifies the person you are quoting though.
@Narmy

Yes I got a notification from your post. I'm way too lazy to do all that tho. I already have to click away two different error messages whenever I make a post on mobile which is still not fixed 3 months later. Next update we need a whole PhD to make a post here.
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The statement "BBcode can also be inspected using the '...'/ 'More' menu" suggests that within a user interface or context, there is an option to access and examine BBcode (Bulletin Board Code) by clicking on a menu labeled "..." or "More." This menu likely provides additional functionality or options related to BBcode formatting within a system or platform.
Sep 5, 2023 2:32 PM

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It's an interesting idea with an execution that could be improved. Here are some suggestions:

- auto-expand replies in conversation view and auto-hide the original post in classic view. Barely anyone likes to click through postings just to see the replies and barely anyone likes to have full quotes every time someone replies to someone

- translate the form of posting style better towards the respective view. For example, if there are multiple replies made in conversation view, it should be technically possible to automatically merge those to one single posting in classic view if there is no posting from another user in-between. And a posting with multiple quotes or mentions should be able to be displayed as multiple responses in conversation view. Otherwise, it makes it difficult to find responses when only the first mention or quote gets under a child thread as a reply to someone else instead of creating an own child thread. Obviously, the system should count replies displayed in modern view and postings seen in classic view differently

- include signatures for modern view. We want to be able to advertise for our clubs, threads or whatever

- bring back quote button for classic view and also: include a multi-quote button that adds another quote to your active text box when you click on it
Sep 5, 2023 3:30 PM

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@Narmy

Yes I got a notification from your post. I'm way too lazy to do all that tho. I already have to click away two different error messages whenever I make a post on mobile which is still not fixed 3 months later. Next update we need a whole PhD to make a post here.
@ateks (yesterday I could quote parts of posts on mobile on desktop mode, but today it isn't working at all, so apologies for quoting the whole post)

I have similar issue with error messages popping up for months, however, in my case it's not being able to change anything in About Me section... Honestly, I'm losing hope it's gonna be fixed at this point.
Sep 5, 2023 6:38 PM

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A new bug that I don't know if anyone else has mentioned:

Before the update, when I would click on a post link, the forum page would load and then immediately jump down the page to the specific linked post, where the blue header bar of the post was at the top of the window. Very convenient, no scrolling required.

After the update, it has become inconsistent. The most common problem is that it no longer jumps down to the post where the header bar lines up with the top of the window. It jumps down to where the post is around the middle of the window. However, even this itself is inconsistent; half the time, it doesn't even jump down to the correct post. It'll jump to a few posts above the correct post, and I have to scroll down to find what I was looking for. (And just to clarify, I turned off all scripts I use with MAL to make sure they weren't causing the issue. I even opened the links into a new incognito window and the same thing was happening.)

I've tested this with all four post link formats, and the issue happens with all of them. Here's an old post of mine to use as an example:
https://myanimelist.net/forum/message/68999042?goto=topic
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2087496&msgid=68999042
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2087496&goto=post&id=68999042
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2087496&show=0&msgid=68999042#68999042

I know this isn't directly related to the topic of the thread, but it only started happening after this feature dropped, so hopefully someone sees it.
@dierubikdie
It correctly goes to the right post. It just loses it's place after more of the page loads after several seconds. Yes it takes that long for a page to load now. My assumption is the posts get loaded first then the reply boxes get loaded and expanded which is what is making it lose it's place.
Sep 5, 2023 7:03 PM
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@dierubikdie
It correctly goes to the right post. It just loses it's place after more of the page loads after several seconds. Yes it takes that long for a page to load now. My assumption is the posts get loaded first then the reply boxes get loaded and expanded which is what is making it lose it's place.
@traed
The loading time thing might have something to do with it, but I'm not sure the reply boxes themselves are the problem. The thread I linked is from April, before the new reply boxes were a thing. Regardless, the problem is the same either way. Whether it loads correctly at first or not, the end result is that it doesn't go to the right post.

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@traed

ppl were already done with MAL forums when they released rule 7(iirc) and killed CE. The forum is really not what MAL should focus on, I think they should focus more on discord. I dont know. I think the old MAL pre-rule 7 was better, if I could ask devs to rollback to that patch I'd still be prolly enjoying my morning coffee whilst browsing MAL.

devs, you had the fucking power to nuke all the boards like CE when you had the chance, why not do it? I'd want it to be. This shithole is just not worth it.

wait you cant manual quote ppl now with their own message? MAL, my expectation when I was active on 2017-2019 was so fucking low that even to this day you outstand me with how much you can make it even lower. Good job y'all deserve a raise.
@_Ako_

Actually most that which you mentioned was done by the mods and admins not the developers. Mainly the rule changes but also the developers actually did some things at request of these like the character requirement to make a post they added by request of someone i think. Shutting down boards I think was something moderators or the admins always had ability over since MAL over the years has had various boards removed due to inactivity and restructuring of the site. I am unsure if this conversation view is also something that came from the moderators request or if it came from someone on the development team with instructions from above.

I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules. Being just moderator isnt enough influence because it's one among the many who already shat up the site or didnt experience what it was like when it was better so they dont know what it can be and are resistant to making it free from too many rules that squash any discussion of anything interesting and worthwhile.

_Ako_ said:
wait you cant manual quote ppl now with their own message? MAL, my expectation when I was active on 2017-2019 was so fucking low that even to this day you outstand me with how much you can make it even lower. Good job y'all deserve a raise.

Yes you cant quote anyone anymore only quote-reply which has a different functionality. As you can see here this is what quote reply does by default. Only way to quote a user like you could before is to manually copy and paste their message into a different box to send that isnt a reply to a user.
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@_Ako_

Actually most that which you mentioned was done by the mods and admins not the developers. Mainly the rule changes but also the developers actually did some things at request of these like the character requirement to make a post they added by request of someone i think. Shutting down boards I think was something moderators or the admins always had ability over since MAL over the years has had various boards removed due to inactivity and restructuring of the site. I am unsure if this conversation view is also something that came from the moderators request or if it came from someone on the development team with instructions from above.

I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules. Being just moderator isnt enough influence because it's one among the many who already shat up the site or didnt experience what it was like when it was better so they dont know what it can be and are resistant to making it free from too many rules that squash any discussion of anything interesting and worthwhile.

_Ako_ said:
wait you cant manual quote ppl now with their own message? MAL, my expectation when I was active on 2017-2019 was so fucking low that even to this day you outstand me with how much you can make it even lower. Good job y'all deserve a raise.

Yes you cant quote anyone anymore only quote-reply which has a different functionality. As you can see here this is what quote reply does by default. Only way to quote a user like you could before is to manually copy and paste their message into a different box to send that isnt a reply to a user.
traed said:
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.


What exactly would you do to improve the forums if you had say unlimited authority and control? Not doubting or questioning but I'm interested in what a frequent poster thinks needs to be done.





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btw I'm seeing more and more people post that the moderators (at the least) influenced this change. To be fair there is no hard proof of this which I've seen

Didn't you see the last thread when they announced this reddit mode? Everyone was against it and all the mods came in to praise it to balance out the user opinion.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2096391
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