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Jul 13, 12:50 AM
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Since now its on mal top 15

For those who dont know, lord of the mysteries is the most highly acclaimed webnovel ever and its a very well planned story from start to finish with insane foreshadowing and 10/10 plot. The story also has great characters and an amazing mc, with god tier world building and lore which is the most greatest thing about the novel tbh.

Its personally one of the greatest fictional stories ive ever read and even after completing 1394 chapters of lotm in its webnovel format i still wanted more, which is pretty rare for someone like me who just cant wait to finish most stories 95% of the time

If you love isekai, victorian era type of settings, lovecraft type of stuff, things with mysteries lol. I highly recommend
fanaticratJul 13, 1:02 AM
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Jul 13, 10:33 PM
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Only thing it's attractive is bots LoL, but hey we agreed 100 percent LOTM is a peak fiction. Current arc in "circle of inevitablity" agains prove that fact. It's on same tier as first book volume 5.
Jul 13, 11:14 PM
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Huh interesting, can't believe I've never heard of this webnovel before. Usually I'm averse to isekai and reading novels that are only on the web/don't have a physical copy, but after briefly skimming reviews and threads and other stuff, this sounds like something I'd love (I'm a huge sucker for worldbuilding) so I'll give it a shot. Just hope this isn't another one of those isekai/transmigration stories where the MC is super OP...


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Jul 14, 7:37 AM
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For anyone who is thinking of reading it,
1) Read the webnovel version ( the one with 1432 chapters)
2) DoNOT drop it if it bores you in the initial chapters, you may find understanding the powersystem difficult but doNOT drop it
3) the characters have immense depth, so don't think too hard while reading their dialogues
4) wherever and whenever you see The Fool, praise him.
Jul 14, 7:51 AM
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Huh interesting, can't believe I've never heard of this webnovel before. Usually I'm averse to isekai and reading novels that are only on the web/don't have a physical copy, but after briefly skimming reviews and threads and other stuff, this sounds like something I'd love (I'm a huge sucker for worldbuilding) so I'll give it a shot. Just hope this isn't another one of those isekai/transmigration stories where the MC is super OP...
@Xiao do you read Chinese web novels? I’m pretty sure everyone who reads cn web novels know it, and I’m also pretty sure you’ll absolutely love it lol it’s the best isekai imo. Dw he isn’t super op but since lotm is also a progression fantasy he’ll slowly get stronger as he climbs up the ladder lol
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Jul 14, 9:18 AM
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Only thing it's attractive is bots LoL, but hey we agreed 100 percent LOTM is a peak fiction. Current arc in "circle of inevitablity" agains prove that fact. It's on same tier as first book volume 5.
@Abomination_suah lmfao at least some people will be like “huh? I’ve never seen this before???” If they got time to check the top manga
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@Xiao do you read Chinese web novels? I’m pretty sure everyone who reads cn web novels know it, and I’m also pretty sure you’ll absolutely love it lol it’s the best isekai imo. Dw he isn’t super op but since lotm is also a progression fantasy he’ll slowly get stronger as he climbs up the ladder lol
@fanaticrat Hmm not Chinese web novels so I guess that's why, but this seems promising based off of the first chapter alone. Will get to reading through this, thanks!


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Jul 15, 6:59 AM
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@fanaticrat Hmm not Chinese web novels so I guess that's why, but this seems promising based off of the first chapter alone. Will get to reading through this, thanks!
@Xiao no problem. Also here are warnings since you’re a first time reader

Do NOT go to the fandom wiki unless you’re finished with novel because there are spoilers plastered everywhere on there

Also don’t search up the characters too since uhh spoilers would be lit on the first page sighhhh


Also be patient if you find the start slow, it gets better

Good luck!!! Lol
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Jul 16, 11:07 PM
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@Xiao no problem. Also here are warnings since you’re a first time reader

Do NOT go to the fandom wiki unless you’re finished with novel because there are spoilers plastered everywhere on there

Also don’t search up the characters too since uhh spoilers would be lit on the first page sighhhh


Also be patient if you find the start slow, it gets better

Good luck!!! Lol
@fanaticrat Lol sounds good, will keep those in mind, thanks.


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Jul 18, 7:22 AM
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This novel seriously needs that fantasy genre added to it
Aug 1, 2:29 AM
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FLVN said:
For anyone who is thinking of reading it,
1) Read the webnovel version ( the one with 1432 chapters)
2) DoNOT drop it if it bores you in the initial chapters, you may find understanding the powersystem difficult but doNOT drop it
3) the characters have immense depth, so don't think too hard while reading their dialogues
4) wherever and whenever you see The Fool, praise him.

Praise The Fool indeed 🛐
Aug 6, 1:32 PM
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I don't think that MAL should have all those Chinese web novels in the top, even good ones like LOTM. Those aren't published works, and they have a much smaller fan base compared to manga and Japanese light novels. For those interested in the genre, there's novelupdates already. Or ratings should start using Bayesian system HARD, so that works with a much smaller number of voters than average to get a decreased rating. Otherwise, what we can easily expect is that if a bunch of Chinese light novels be added half of the top 50 of "manga" would be just yaoi web novels, some of them are already here, lmao. Because yaoi lovers overrate their fics hard and if the number of votes isn't an issue then their "masterpieces" of love between men would all over the place.
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MyOwnGod said:
Those aren't published works


They are, which is exactly why they are in the database. MAL does not have any WebNovel.

MyOwnGod said:
Or ratings should start using Bayesian system HARD, so that works with a much smaller number of voters than average to get a decreased rating


MAL uses a weighted system, so entries with less members do have their ratings decreased : https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime
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MyOwnGod said:
Those aren't published works


They are, which is exactly why they are in the database. MAL does not have any WebNovel.

MyOwnGod said:
Or ratings should start using Bayesian system HARD, so that works with a much smaller number of voters than average to get a decreased rating


MAL uses a weighted system, so entries with less members do have their ratings decreased : https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime
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Alexioos95 said:
They are, which is exactly why they are in the database. MAL does not have any WebNovel.

Seriously? Where exactly were those Chinese novels published in the west? Because I'm only aware of the webnovel versions.

Alexioos95 said:
MAL uses a weighted system, so entries with less members do have their ratings decreased : https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime

This story which is now #11 on the site has 1600 votes with 9.03 rating, while #9, which is FMA, has almost 160 000 votes, which is literally ONE HUNDRED times more. It doesn't seem that the weighting effect is significant in any capacity when such a big difference has no visible effect at the rating / placement. I think the formula should be changed, or maybe the minimal number of required votes increased or smth.
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MyOwnGod said:
Seriously? Where exactly were those Chinese novels published in the west? Because I'm only aware of the webnovel versions.


Not in the West; they were published (in physical format) in their original country, which is why they are there.

MAL never has tracked works that are officially licensed somewhere in the West, but simply those released in their own countries (for Japan, Korea and China). If they did not, like half of the database would have to be removed, as they never were released, or even merely translated into another language.

MyOwnGod said:
This story which is now #11 on the site has 1600 votes with 9.03 rating, while #9, which is FMA, has almost 160 000 votes, which is literally ONE HUNDRED times more. It doesn't seem that the weighting effect is significant in any capacity when such a big difference has no visible effect at the rating / placement. I think the formula should be changed, or maybe the minimal number of required votes increased or smth.


I'm not a man of maths, so i can't say much, but oblitering the ratings of some entries just because they are not popular doesn't seems right. The graph also shows that a huge % of people who has read that one absolutely loved it, bringing the score up (on top of the bots used to downrate it being ignored). The formula already takes into account the number of votes, and it does already impact the result by a relatively good margin.
"Genius lives only one storey above madness."
– Arthur Schopenhauer.

"Stupidity is a talent for misconception."
– Edgar Allan Poe.

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Seriously? Where exactly were those Chinese novels published in the west? Because I'm only aware of the webnovel versions.


Not in the West; they were published (in physical format) in their original country, which is why they are there.

MAL never has tracked works that are officially licensed somewhere in the West, but simply those released in their own countries (for Japan, Korea and China). If they did not, like half of the database would have to be removed, as they never were released, or even merely translated into another language.

MyOwnGod said:
This story which is now #11 on the site has 1600 votes with 9.03 rating, while #9, which is FMA, has almost 160 000 votes, which is literally ONE HUNDRED times more. It doesn't seem that the weighting effect is significant in any capacity when such a big difference has no visible effect at the rating / placement. I think the formula should be changed, or maybe the minimal number of required votes increased or smth.


I'm not a man of maths, so i can't say much, but oblitering the ratings of some entries just because they are not popular doesn't seems right. The graph also shows that a huge % of people who has read that one absolutely loved it, bringing the score up (on top of the bots used to downrate it being ignored). The formula already takes into account the number of votes, and it does already impact the result by a relatively good margin.
@Alexioos95 I mean, of course those Chinese stories that were recently added (they weren't here before) will get inflated ratings because only people who already read them and liked them would recognize those works to begin with. So only fans will vote, while everyone else will ignore those, almost all those votes are from people who knew of the story before it was added to MAL. So those votes aren't representative of an average MAL lurker, they are from people who at the same time are interested in manga and Chinese web novels. And webnovel readers tend to overrate their works way more than manga readers, which is easy to see from novelupdates where probably a tenth of all stories have an average rating above 4.5, which is 9/10 in MAL system. While on MAL there are only a few such works. So if we add all those stories here, then there would be no manga left in the "top-rated" section. As a rule of thumb, the more people rate on something niche, the more it averages out. I mean, if we take any yaoi story and will make straight guys read it and vote for it, you'll see how its rating gets lowered by a large margin instantly. A broader audience will always be less likely to vote highly because it's hard for a story to suit everyone's taste, this is why those top-rated stories are so special.

Then again, as of now it's not much of a problem, especially considering the fact that you can just search stories by type, so it's easy to only have manga OR light novels displayed in the search. It's too early to be too alarmed as right now there are only a few of those here, but I predict that in a few years it can make the site less convenient to search for an average user.
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Trailer looks cool. Just hope that it's not another garbage about an op gary stu protagonist that people praise for no reason.
Aug 11, 11:14 PM

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Trailer looks cool. Just hope that it's not another garbage about an op gary stu protagonist that people praise for no reason.
@kataneer if it was then I wouldn’t have praised lotm this much. Trust me dude, the novel is incredible.
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@Alexioos95 I mean, of course those Chinese stories that were recently added (they weren't here before) will get inflated ratings because only people who already read them and liked them would recognize those works to begin with. So only fans will vote, while everyone else will ignore those, almost all those votes are from people who knew of the story before it was added to MAL. So those votes aren't representative of an average MAL lurker, they are from people who at the same time are interested in manga and Chinese web novels. And webnovel readers tend to overrate their works way more than manga readers, which is easy to see from novelupdates where probably a tenth of all stories have an average rating above 4.5, which is 9/10 in MAL system. While on MAL there are only a few such works. So if we add all those stories here, then there would be no manga left in the "top-rated" section. As a rule of thumb, the more people rate on something niche, the more it averages out. I mean, if we take any yaoi story and will make straight guys read it and vote for it, you'll see how its rating gets lowered by a large margin instantly. A broader audience will always be less likely to vote highly because it's hard for a story to suit everyone's taste, this is why those top-rated stories are so special.

Then again, as of now it's not much of a problem, especially considering the fact that you can just search stories by type, so it's easy to only have manga OR light novels displayed in the search. It's too early to be too alarmed as right now there are only a few of those here, but I predict that in a few years it can make the site less convenient to search for an average user.
@MyOwnGod don't worry as more people give reads it will reach top 5 soon.
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I have no idea how it's 9.06 with this


Example Re:Zero is 8.78 with this
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I have no idea how it's 9.06 with this


Example Re:Zero is 8.78 with this
@Okeanix

Why? Because most of the people who are giving it a 5,6,7. Literally didn’t read it. I think mods maybe remove spam
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Okeanix said:
I have no idea how it's 9.06 with this


Most ratings under 8 are made by bots, as you can see by looking at the Recently Updated By: All members part. Their ratings are not taken into account for the calculation, so the score displayed is way higher than what you can calculate manually with that graph.

Okeanix said:
Example Re:Zero is 8.78 with this


A lot of 9 and 10 are made by bots there. It was one of the Manga/Novel entry most affected by the implementation of the bots detection algorithm.

Og99 said:
I think mods maybe remove spam


If the account is flagged as a bot (or vote brigading), their rating stays in the graph, but gets removed from the calculation. (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1824703) It's not managed by mods, but directly by an algorithm in the back-end/server.
"Genius lives only one storey above madness."
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"Stupidity is a talent for misconception."
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Okeanix said:
I have no idea how it's 9.06 with this


Most ratings under 8 are made by bots, as you can see by looking at the Recently Updated By: All members part. Their ratings are not taken into account for the calculation, so the score displayed is way higher than what you can calculate manually with that graph.

Okeanix said:
Example Re:Zero is 8.78 with this


A lot of 9 and 10 are made by bots there. It was one of the Manga/Novel entry most affected by the implementation of the bots detection algorithm.

Og99 said:
I think mods maybe remove spam


If the account is flagged as a bot (or vote brigading), their rating stays in the graph, but gets removed from the calculation. (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1824703) It's not managed by mods, but directly by an algorithm in the back-end/server.
@Alexioos95 False. MyAnimeList can manipulate anime and manga ratings as they wish.

They removed 10/10 ratings from ecchi anime made by legitimate users because they didn't want ecchi anime in the Top 10.

So, if a mod is a hater of that series and falsely flags some accounts as bots or manipulate ratings, We wouldn't know. That's why this system sucks.

If an account is flagged and its ratings do not count, it should be indicated somewhere on that account.
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Okeanix said:
False, MyAnimeList can manipulate any anime manga ratings as they wish.


Yeah, that's their database, after all.

Okeanix said:
They removed 10/10 ratings from ecchi anime made by legit users because they didn't want ecchi anime in Top10.


Vote brigading. If you allow them, the database have absolutely no legitimacy. Something like Music Videos removed from the Top is a way more debatable subject than that.
"Genius lives only one storey above madness."
– Arthur Schopenhauer.

"Stupidity is a talent for misconception."
– Edgar Allan Poe.

"I'm tired... and hungry."
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Okeanix said:
False, MyAnimeList can manipulate any anime manga ratings as they wish.


Yeah, that's their database, after all.

Okeanix said:
They removed 10/10 ratings from ecchi anime made by legit users because they didn't want ecchi anime in Top10.


Vote brigading. If you allow them, the database have absolutely no legitimacy. Something like Music Videos removed from the Top is a way more debatable subject than that.
@Alexioos95
Alexioos95 said:
Vote brigading. If you allow them, the database have absolutely no legitimacy.

It's no different from some popular YouTuber praising a series.

Remove Frieren from the top spot, then, because Gigguk praised it.

I want any vote from legitimate users to remain untouched, even if they were manipulated.
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Okeanix said:
It's no different from some popular YouTuber praising a series.


It is; them praising him is not the same as them telling people to go vote it 10/10. Their hardcore fans may interpret it as such, but that's on them, not on a movement deliberately created by the said YouTuber.

Anyway, i know you are obsessed with Re : Zero and a huge hater of Frieren, so... eh.
"Genius lives only one storey above madness."
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"Stupidity is a talent for misconception."
– Edgar Allan Poe.

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Man I hate the fact that this novel doesn't have the fantasy genre tag for some reason and we can't even edit that in

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