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traed said:
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.
What exactly would you do to improve the forums if you had say unlimited authority and control? Not doubting or questioning but I'm interested in what a frequent poster thinks needs to be done.
Shishio-kun said: I read quite a lot of posts coming from active people who had applied to become moderators in the past. In most of cases, if not all, they didn't even get any response. Those users weren't randoms, by the way. Just active posters, obeying the rules and interacting with each other with respect.The point being a lot of regular users should have applied for mod so we could possibly give better feedback to the top or communicate more frequently with the userbase. Situation right now is pretty bad and could be way better. It's been a while since that "moderators needed" announcement, yet I can't recall seeing any new moderator, lol. |
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Shishio-kun said:
btw I'm seeing more and more people post that the moderators (at the least) influenced this change. To be fair there is no hard proof of this which I've seen
btw I'm seeing more and more people post that the moderators (at the least) influenced this change. To be fair there is no hard proof of this which I've seen
Didn't you see the last thread when they announced this reddit mode? Everyone was against it and all the mods came in to praise it to balance out the user opinion.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2096391
| @Narmy Yes I've seen that. But "praising the change", while suspicious, is still not hard evidence that those particular mods directly influenced or in any way implemented and helped choose the recent changes. I'm being fair. For all we know they could have nothing to do with it at all, and those ppl are merely "circling the wagons" or kissing up. And maybe its just their honest view - if they dont post often and theyre out of touch now, that could explain a lot. Lastly whoever does make the changes might not care what mods say at all or even see their feedback. In my experience of running several groups over 18 years on many sites I can tell you there's been countless times when something was so suspicious that it seemed undeniably true.. but then in the end surprisingly there was another explanation the whole time. However that said, while I'm not accusing anyone, the mod replies which you mentioned - and mod replies in review system threads- all those replies have lead me to suspect some moderators influenced the hated changes at the least (I actually think its worse lol). I've mentioned that in other threads so I do for the most part agree with you. If one is being honest it's extremely difficult to not come to that conclusion at this point 😕 so I hear you. Another concern of mine too is that, if this true, they could also have a difficult time admitting they were wrong and they may double down on support for the terrible changes. Again just speculation I think an AMA between some kind of staff ambassador and hardcore userbase could help smooth over the ever-growing suspicions, speculations, and most importantly the resentment. |
Shishio-kunSep 5, 2023 11:35 PM
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Shishio-kun said:
The point being a lot of regular users should have applied for mod so we could possibly give better feedback to the top or communicate more frequently with the userbase. Situation right now is pretty bad and could be way better.
I read quite a lot of posts coming from active people who had applied to become moderators in the past. In most of cases, if not all, they didn't even get any response. Those users weren't randoms, by the way. Just active posters, obeying the rules and interacting with each other with respect.The point being a lot of regular users should have applied for mod so we could possibly give better feedback to the top or communicate more frequently with the userbase. Situation right now is pretty bad and could be way better.
It's been a while since that "moderators needed" announcement, yet I can't recall seeing any new moderator, lol.
| @Adnash Yeah that's gotta be a problem too, I mean it has to happen no matter whose feedback it is, with so much messaging out there. Staff does miss a lot of stuff in my experience and doesn't respond sometimes although from what I see that is on accident and they are always apologetic. Regardless of all that, from what I saw the mod sign-up process was overly convoluted (just like classic mode has become lol). Personally I would say it should be done in a private group instead which ppl can apply to. That way there's visible posts and they could make sure everyone is replied to. This should prevent the issue altogether and then other staff can see and chime in or help with interviews etc. |
Shishio-kunSep 5, 2023 11:33 PM
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traed said:
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.
What exactly would you do to improve the forums if you had say unlimited authority and control? Not doubting or questioning but I'm interested in what a frequent poster thinks needs to be done.
| @Shishio-kun You basically can see all my posts I made on the suggestions board over the years. Have users able to hide some of their list entries without having to hide the whole list. Have users be banned from specific parts of the site rather than always have their whole account banned so they will be less tempted to make alt accounts. Like not messing up the classic view for the conversation view, maybe scrap conversation view if that cant be done (but even implementation wise there is an issue of some people saying stuff like "post above me" causing confusion since that will mean different things depending on view lol). Stuff like making some parts of the site more visible to not be forgotten like club forum discussions id have something for that in the panel and/or in the "my clubs" section, and restructure the anime and manga boards to have a franchise overboard for series for more general posts to increase activity. Seems they did do one thing similar to what I had suggested at one point which was make it easier to ignore a user since now "ignore ____" is under "...more" in posts which i dont remember being there before. That aside Id relax the forum rules more like how they used to be years back after there is a user generated blacklist implemented for filtering posts, but maybe keep off a few topics and posts that are something like hate mongering targeting groups and individuals. I dont think i could easily summarize everything so i probably forgot to mention some things explicitly. |
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@Shishio-kun
You basically can see all my posts I made on the suggestions board over the years. Have users able to hide some of their list entries without having to hide the whole list. Have users be banned from specific parts of the site rather than always have their whole account banned so they will be less tempted to make alt accounts. Like not messing up the classic view for the conversation view, maybe scrap conversation view if that cant be done (but even implementation wise there is an issue of some people saying stuff like "post above me" causing confusion since that will mean different things depending on view lol). Stuff like making some parts of the site more visible to not be forgotten like club forum discussions id have something for that in the panel and/or in the "my clubs" section, and restructure the anime and manga boards to have a franchise overboard for series for more general posts to increase activity. Seems they did do one thing similar to what I had suggested at one point which was make it easier to ignore a user since now "ignore ____" is under "...more" in posts which i dont remember being there before. That aside Id relax the forum rules more like how they used to be years back after there is a user generated blacklist implemented for filtering posts, but maybe keep off a few topics and posts that are something like hate mongering targeting groups and individuals. I dont think i could easily summarize everything so i probably forgot to mention some things explicitly.
You basically can see all my posts I made on the suggestions board over the years. Have users able to hide some of their list entries without having to hide the whole list. Have users be banned from specific parts of the site rather than always have their whole account banned so they will be less tempted to make alt accounts. Like not messing up the classic view for the conversation view, maybe scrap conversation view if that cant be done (but even implementation wise there is an issue of some people saying stuff like "post above me" causing confusion since that will mean different things depending on view lol). Stuff like making some parts of the site more visible to not be forgotten like club forum discussions id have something for that in the panel and/or in the "my clubs" section, and restructure the anime and manga boards to have a franchise overboard for series for more general posts to increase activity. Seems they did do one thing similar to what I had suggested at one point which was make it easier to ignore a user since now "ignore ____" is under "...more" in posts which i dont remember being there before. That aside Id relax the forum rules more like how they used to be years back after there is a user generated blacklist implemented for filtering posts, but maybe keep off a few topics and posts that are something like hate mongering targeting groups and individuals. I dont think i could easily summarize everything so i probably forgot to mention some things explicitly.
| @traed OK all good suggestions imo! Thanks. Many of these I've thought of too and I agree with, like quarantining users. There's got to be ways to deal with the bot posts too. So many ideas were floated. And that reminds me of how the morale of hardcore users has been depleted for years because of the lack of responses to the suggestion board. I barely look at it now as its pointless. One time someone said it had devolved to a "venting board" and they were 100% right lol. |
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traed said:
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.
I pretty much have a good idea of what it would take to improve the community experience to be better than it is now but I have no power or influence and someone like me likely cant just ask to be an admin i dont think and even then im unsure how much influence admins have over the development of the site beyond forum rules.
What exactly would you do to improve the forums if you had say unlimited authority and control? Not doubting or questioning but I'm interested in what a frequent poster thinks needs to be done.
Shishio-kun said: The point being a lot of regular users should have applied for mod so we could possibly give better feedback to the top or communicate more frequently with the userbase. Situation right now is pretty bad and could be way better. We did, they just never bothered to reply anyone even after months and years. And I'm not talking about myself but about people who would actually fit the role very well. |
Kineta said: In the near future, it'll also make it easier for us to put the posts you care about most at the top of the topic; for example, posts your friends make Filter option to see only "my" posts or "friends & me" posts (Conversation view only) this is just sad |
| Look at the kind of mess MAL staff caused. Look at this thread in classic view https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115569 You get comment after comment covering your whole screen from the same person because they cant just quote a bunch of users in one post. It makes MAL look like a long dead unmoderated forum. I expect this will cause an increase in troll users and spammers. |
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Look at the kind of mess MAL staff caused. Look at this thread in classic view
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115569
You get comment after comment covering your whole screen from the same person because they cant just quote a bunch of users in one post. It makes MAL look like a long dead unmoderated forum. I expect this will cause an increase in troll users and spammers.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115569
You get comment after comment covering your whole screen from the same person because they cant just quote a bunch of users in one post. It makes MAL look like a long dead unmoderated forum. I expect this will cause an increase in troll users and spammers.
| @traed For some reason I don't see a single quote in that thread. Is it bugged or did mods manually remove all of them? Would be funny if mods had even more work now because of that shit. |
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@traed
For some reason I don't see a single quote in that thread. Is it bugged or did mods manually remove all of them? Would be funny if mods had even more work now because of that shit.
For some reason I don't see a single quote in that thread. Is it bugged or did mods manually remove all of them? Would be funny if mods had even more work now because of that shit.
| @ateks Odd. The OP replied to every post in one at a time so a bunch of messages in a row. Not sure why you dont see it. Maybe a bug? |
Am I the only one who doesn't see any nested posts at all? This is what I see: |
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@Narmy
Yes I've seen that. But "praising the change", while suspicious, is still not hard evidence that those particular mods directly influenced or in any way implemented and helped choose the recent changes. I'm being fair. For all we know they could have nothing to do with it at all, and those ppl are merely "circling the wagons" or kissing up. And maybe its just their honest view - if they dont post often and theyre out of touch now, that could explain a lot. Lastly whoever does make the changes might not care what mods say at all or even see their feedback. In my experience of running several groups over 18 years on many sites I can tell you there's been countless times when something was so suspicious that it seemed undeniably true.. but then in the end surprisingly there was another explanation the whole time.
However that said, while I'm not accusing anyone, the mod replies which you mentioned - and mod replies in review system threads- all those replies have lead me to suspect some moderators influenced the hated changes at the least (I actually think its worse lol). I've mentioned that in other threads so I do for the most part agree with you. If one is being honest it's extremely difficult to not come to that conclusion at this point 😕 so I hear you. Another concern of mine too is that, if this true, they could also have a difficult time admitting they were wrong and they may double down on support for the terrible changes. Again just speculation
I think an AMA between some kind of staff ambassador and hardcore userbase could help smooth over the ever-growing suspicions, speculations, and most importantly the resentment.
Yes I've seen that. But "praising the change", while suspicious, is still not hard evidence that those particular mods directly influenced or in any way implemented and helped choose the recent changes. I'm being fair. For all we know they could have nothing to do with it at all, and those ppl are merely "circling the wagons" or kissing up. And maybe its just their honest view - if they dont post often and theyre out of touch now, that could explain a lot. Lastly whoever does make the changes might not care what mods say at all or even see their feedback. In my experience of running several groups over 18 years on many sites I can tell you there's been countless times when something was so suspicious that it seemed undeniably true.. but then in the end surprisingly there was another explanation the whole time.
However that said, while I'm not accusing anyone, the mod replies which you mentioned - and mod replies in review system threads- all those replies have lead me to suspect some moderators influenced the hated changes at the least (I actually think its worse lol). I've mentioned that in other threads so I do for the most part agree with you. If one is being honest it's extremely difficult to not come to that conclusion at this point 😕 so I hear you. Another concern of mine too is that, if this true, they could also have a difficult time admitting they were wrong and they may double down on support for the terrible changes. Again just speculation
I think an AMA between some kind of staff ambassador and hardcore userbase could help smooth over the ever-growing suspicions, speculations, and most importantly the resentment.
| @Shishio-kun This kind of reminds me of the "LTT" situation but much lighter since the stakes are very low. When the "collective" gets angry people start making a crap ton of accusations, some of which are inevitably baseless |
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Shishio-kun said: What exactly would you do to improve the forums this question was not to me, but I just could not help it: 1. fix bugs* 2. maintain a list of complaints / questions from users (perhaps with a voting system), to identified the most popular / essential wishes and try to address them 3. invest in constant improvement of existing interface. I.e. not replacing with something different, but making the same thing, but working faster, easier, be simpler and look better. That's all. * - of course they fix bugs, but this - and nothing else - must always be the very top priority. Not a secondary "support work". I know, i know, this is not how it works in big companies and this won't happen. But that's what I would do if I wielded an absolute power over MAL :D |
OniMageSep 9, 2023 5:28 AM
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Shishio-kun said:
What exactly would you do to improve the forums
What exactly would you do to improve the forums
this question was not to me, but I just could not help it:
1. fix bugs*
2. maintain a list of complaints / questions from users (perhaps with a voting system), to identified the most popular / essential wishes and try to address them
3. invest in constant improvement of existing interface. I.e. not replacing with something different, but making the same thing, but working faster, easier, be simpler and look better.
That's all.
* - of course they fix bugs, but this - and nothing else - must always be the very top priority. Not a secondary "support work".
I know, i know, this is not how it works in big companies and this won't happen. But that's what I would do if I wielded an absolute power over MAL :D
OniMage said: of course they fix bugs They do? I can't even remember the last time they fixed something, must've been months or years ago. The support board is full of bug reports and even if you go some pages in there are still unfixed bugs from years ago. |
ateks said: OniMage said: of course they fix bugs They do? I can't even remember the last time they fixed something, must've been months or years ago. The support board is full of bug reports and even if you go some pages in there are still unfixed bugs from years ago. if they didn't fix bugs the site would stop working long ago. as a developer I know this - and i wanted to make it clear in the unlikely case someone from the MAL team reads it (LOL) however you as user do not know that they do - precisely because they only do what and when they really-really-really have to and as a chore - not as the top priority task. that's what I meant. |
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ateks said:
They do? I can't even remember the last time they fixed something, must've been months or years ago. The support board is full of bug reports and even if you go some pages in there are still unfixed bugs from years ago.
OniMage said:
of course they fix bugs
of course they fix bugs
They do? I can't even remember the last time they fixed something, must've been months or years ago. The support board is full of bug reports and even if you go some pages in there are still unfixed bugs from years ago.
if they didn't fix bugs the site would stop working long ago. as a developer I know this - and i wanted to make it clear in the unlikely case someone from the MAL team reads it (LOL) however you as user do not know that they do - precisely because they only do what and when they really-really-really have to and as a chore - not as the top priority task. that's what I meant.
| @OniMage These aren't bug fixed they are security patches and I'm sure they even rarely do that or only ever after it got already abused. Like right now you apparently can take over other user accounts, this kind of stuff should be fixed within few minutes or hours in a real company yet after 24h it wasn't even acknowledged by an admin so nobody can tell if they even read it or not. I know for a fact two other ways how to gain direct access to the database and mess with it but I'm too lazy to report it because why should I. On other websites you get a 4 digit bug bounty for that kind of stuff, here you don't even get a reply. |
| @ateks I trust you on this. The site has 102859348534 problems, we agree on this. But it has thousands of active users - yet it works and it ain't slow (most of the time). This means there're people on salary who fix bugs. This is all the more true for a site with lots of issues - a very well thought out application could m.b. work for a great while w/o any fixes, but here this doesn't apply |
| At this point I dont really care. My negative is i cant quote op, Which is totally totalitarian op post rules. For me is problematic. there was this assuie politician kicking off about no game no life and having it banned, so I sent him an email pointing out myanimelist forum eps discussions had someone pointing out there was not enough rape involved in the sword ard online show. They never responded. Nor has the post been removed after I reported it. The aussie gut did go silent on censorship mind you. Morale of the story is. Company dont give a shit what you think. They will do and show you what they think you want. And just suck it up and stop being whiny bitches. Im all in on new mode. Why? Because I can. Love it |
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Wish MAL was rebuilt from the ground up. It's taken so long for basic features to be included....The site looks so outdated....Would be so much easier to develop and maintain the site if it was just rebuilt
| @Dviouss As a Mal insider and secret boss your post stood out. We are looking for talented people like you. Can you email admin@myanimelist.net with coding and suggestions to help us improve this site |
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They broke the BB code forum "classic view" again the actual heart and soul of MAL for this Reddit copycat. "Classic view" is a lie. They may even be planning on dismantling the forum further and must be stopped.
This kind of shit wil cause MAL to lose any new users and many old users to AniList or Anime Planet because the forums is all that built the community to begin with and the site will slow down and be down more because of "conversation view" (which i explain below) and messing up "classic view" for a layout and interaction redesign no one asked for. MAL will risk shutting down. The site owners will lose a LOT of money too so they better pay attention
Cant edit posts can only quick edit even if you click "more" then "edit" which means no fixing errors in polls and thread titles. I reported it as a bug.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114740
Cant quote users the quote button is gone again. Instead you have reply which causes you to @ a user and you are replying in a box below the user. Why inconvenience users forcing them to highlight text in a post just to quote a user then copy and paste it manually if they want to quote multiple users? In fact you can't even properly quote a user because of this because it removes all context and doesnt hyperlink back to the post to follow the conversation without requiring a page reload which will put strain on the servers. This would be putting more strain on the servers on top of that from users replying to user after user in what they previously could have easily done in a single post. MAL will be slower than ever and be not accessible at times from this. I reported it as a bug because no design team or dev of any competency would think this is a good idea as it is.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114738
Post preview when making a thread has a redundancy where you have two preview buttons. I assume that is temporary though? Dont really have issue with the new preview but that wont distract from what was taken away.
No one should accept this. Everyone pay attention, dont be fooled. It was the same problems the initial rollout that had everyone complaining to the point eventually they rolled it back and they just reintroduced it again with no improvements to the classic view this is still alpha level of coding where it's causing design and functionality losses to the site.
FFS even I know how to implement this properly and I dont even know much programming and have no formal training in web design. I made a post on it before where I go into as much detail as I can strategies. I suggest the devs check it out. Oh and key devs if you dont want to be fired just admit you can't do it without shitting up the site for everyone else like this if you can't because if you shit up the site and it loses profits you're going to be the ones to blame by your employers.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2097150
Since a few mods clearly are the only ones who pushed for this because they think it would be easier to moderate I propose an alternative. Instead of this conversation view the devs should have just made it so you can click somewhere in a post and all the comments from messages that quote eachother show up right next to eachother either on a separate page view in a new tab or as a popup in the page, perhapts just as a moderator tool if it otherwise would cause confusion for users. This would be far easier to develop and maintain and you wouldn't be angering the vast majority of all users with how you ruined the forum functionality and design to be hideous and intrusive and useless. I made a suggestion thread for this
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115391
Likewise for a long time i have pushed and pushed for the devs to put in user controlled blacklists where there is a box they can type diffent words and phrases in that will automatically filter posts and threads. Then the moderation would be largely taken off the moderators and into the hands of users as it should be instead of the mods trying to babysit us like we are three year olds. Here is the suggestion thread for this with more details
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945901
This kind of shit wil cause MAL to lose any new users and many old users to AniList or Anime Planet because the forums is all that built the community to begin with and the site will slow down and be down more because of "conversation view" (which i explain below) and messing up "classic view" for a layout and interaction redesign no one asked for. MAL will risk shutting down. The site owners will lose a LOT of money too so they better pay attention
Cant edit posts can only quick edit even if you click "more" then "edit" which means no fixing errors in polls and thread titles. I reported it as a bug.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114740
Cant quote users the quote button is gone again. Instead you have reply which causes you to @ a user and you are replying in a box below the user. Why inconvenience users forcing them to highlight text in a post just to quote a user then copy and paste it manually if they want to quote multiple users? In fact you can't even properly quote a user because of this because it removes all context and doesnt hyperlink back to the post to follow the conversation without requiring a page reload which will put strain on the servers. This would be putting more strain on the servers on top of that from users replying to user after user in what they previously could have easily done in a single post. MAL will be slower than ever and be not accessible at times from this. I reported it as a bug because no design team or dev of any competency would think this is a good idea as it is.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114738
Post preview when making a thread has a redundancy where you have two preview buttons. I assume that is temporary though? Dont really have issue with the new preview but that wont distract from what was taken away.
No one should accept this. Everyone pay attention, dont be fooled. It was the same problems the initial rollout that had everyone complaining to the point eventually they rolled it back and they just reintroduced it again with no improvements to the classic view this is still alpha level of coding where it's causing design and functionality losses to the site.
FFS even I know how to implement this properly and I dont even know much programming and have no formal training in web design. I made a post on it before where I go into as much detail as I can strategies. I suggest the devs check it out. Oh and key devs if you dont want to be fired just admit you can't do it without shitting up the site for everyone else like this if you can't because if you shit up the site and it loses profits you're going to be the ones to blame by your employers.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2097150
Since a few mods clearly are the only ones who pushed for this because they think it would be easier to moderate I propose an alternative. Instead of this conversation view the devs should have just made it so you can click somewhere in a post and all the comments from messages that quote eachother show up right next to eachother either on a separate page view in a new tab or as a popup in the page, perhapts just as a moderator tool if it otherwise would cause confusion for users. This would be far easier to develop and maintain and you wouldn't be angering the vast majority of all users with how you ruined the forum functionality and design to be hideous and intrusive and useless. I made a suggestion thread for this
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115391
Likewise for a long time i have pushed and pushed for the devs to put in user controlled blacklists where there is a box they can type diffent words and phrases in that will automatically filter posts and threads. Then the moderation would be largely taken off the moderators and into the hands of users as it should be instead of the mods trying to babysit us like we are three year olds. Here is the suggestion thread for this with more details
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945901
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| What I dislike: It seems to post full quotes (that you can hide - which only makes them smaller) when people have clicked in the reply button in a thread. Then it seems if they actually quote something ... it appears again. (While you already have the full post as full quote. When full quoting basically is considered bad manners.) The reply button should actually force people to edit (give a hint) the quoted thing so they can reply with a quote focused on the important stuff. Or using an @ + name instead to write a general reply. At least for the "normal" mode I did not see any setting and I remember months back it was announced "for supporters" as beta - for the new view ... which I probably would not even use. I prefer the old linear thread view. The reply as full quote actually seems to try to make up for the fact that in the normal mode (old mode) you would not see a hierarchical display. Which might seem it weird if someone later replied without further info (@ or a quote) to previous post. Now making stuff look weird. An automatic hide (default so you do not need to switch this on) could work - so you could expant the post where people replied to. But not having it auto-expanded. But I would prefer it very compact: People should quote the relevant text or with @ targeting the full post (now showing an expaned quote) maybe the full post accessed with a link (if you click on the name of the quoted/replied person) or that hide feature. But then everythign hidden (here it currently still shows the first line). Personally I will make sure to always use the normal reply button - not the ones in some post. Edit found it now - he button to toggle views. Horrible. Especially when people might reply to some answer made earlier in the thread and the usual viewer only reads the last pages ... then a small group of people might talk amongst themselves there. Until every now and then someone new coming to the thread might notice it. People that only check the full thread for new posts might see the latest page only. Not replies to posts in previous pages. The reply button in the normal view seems to show - in preview - only the @ + name ... then empty box. No full quote. So I assume the full quote only happesn in the hierarchical view (might not even show this for people that quote in that view - that they generate full quotes for people in normla view - since the full quotes are not visible there). |
LuthandoriusSep 17, 2023 9:53 AM
| It doesn't look like people are using it since most people reply under OP's post. If you have a lengthy tree structure then it still looks disorganized Reminds me of this, but more weighted at the upper levels: |
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| Will conversation view be added to the MAL mobile app? |
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| @Ryuseishun I don't think you know what "slick" means or how to use it in a sentence because that word barely fits the context in which you're using it right now. Or are you being intentionally vague with it in the hopes that I'd brush it aside? Did you just use that opening line because you thought it'd make you look cool? This is what I mean by padded verbose as a means of overcompensating. Literal 101 definition of pretentiousness. You'd fail a basic English test lol. "Nice try in being slick" You're way out of your league here lol. Imagine trying to take this to an official announcement thread posted by the site admin herself lol. You aren't slick. We both know this conversation doesn't belong here, you just want to have your cake and eat it by having the final say without the opposing party being able to respond. Why not just unblock me? I'll do the same in turn and I'll systematically dismantle the flowery drivel you just posted over on your wall. |
| I only just noticed this view existed. It's decent idea, but needs more refinement. I would only use it as my default if: 1. To have an option to view all child comments/replies by default, instead of them being collapsed. To me there is no point of having something similar to Reddit (Old Reddit at least) if I have to click to view replies. I want to see everything posted here. Conversation view can be better organised, but I must be able to see everything by default if I want. Or at least a certain amount, like 10, then a view more button. 2. The UI is far too "minimal", as in it mostly turns white, and the elements that were better highlighted are now something that make me squint because they don't stand out enough for me to absorb them while scrolling. Stuff like: Post date/time, Post Numbers "#123" and User profile info (Join date, Number of posts etc). Signatures are also gone, avatars are smaller. Just a lot of wasted space, the usual 99% white space, everything spread out modern design crap. As with everything that introduces a new UI Element or system, regardless of what I use, I will always advocate for the choice between old and new. Old should not break or be messed up in favour of new, simply keeping it but it being at the whims of new isn't the same thing. New must be objectively better than old, by taking it and improving it without losing anything. Not adding something good, at the cost of removing/worsening some existing good. No bullying users into switching down the line and eventually force everyone into switching. Keep both and eventually, if you truly have made the new experience an objectively better version of the old, then naturally people will switch, and when the majority have, only then you should retire the old, if you absolutely must. Ultimately, I do like it, but don't trust the long-term vision just yet. Seems like something where it will be the only properly working option and intentionally crippled relative to what made the previous view good, in favour of new business-driven features and social media copying in a bid for new users. |
ShockwaeveJan 5, 7:09 PM
| Oh no, I was wondering why quoting got so much worse since I was last in the forums... Turns out it's a permanent update :( |
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Reply to traed
They broke the BB code forum "classic view" again the actual heart and soul of MAL for this Reddit copycat. "Classic view" is a lie. They may even be planning on dismantling the forum further and must be stopped.
This kind of shit wil cause MAL to lose any new users and many old users to AniList or Anime Planet because the forums is all that built the community to begin with and the site will slow down and be down more because of "conversation view" (which i explain below) and messing up "classic view" for a layout and interaction redesign no one asked for. MAL will risk shutting down. The site owners will lose a LOT of money too so they better pay attention
Cant edit posts can only quick edit even if you click "more" then "edit" which means no fixing errors in polls and thread titles. I reported it as a bug.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114740
Cant quote users the quote button is gone again. Instead you have reply which causes you to @ a user and you are replying in a box below the user. Why inconvenience users forcing them to highlight text in a post just to quote a user then copy and paste it manually if they want to quote multiple users? In fact you can't even properly quote a user because of this because it removes all context and doesnt hyperlink back to the post to follow the conversation without requiring a page reload which will put strain on the servers. This would be putting more strain on the servers on top of that from users replying to user after user in what they previously could have easily done in a single post. MAL will be slower than ever and be not accessible at times from this. I reported it as a bug because no design team or dev of any competency would think this is a good idea as it is.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114738
Post preview when making a thread has a redundancy where you have two preview buttons. I assume that is temporary though? Dont really have issue with the new preview but that wont distract from what was taken away.
No one should accept this. Everyone pay attention, dont be fooled. It was the same problems the initial rollout that had everyone complaining to the point eventually they rolled it back and they just reintroduced it again with no improvements to the classic view this is still alpha level of coding where it's causing design and functionality losses to the site.
FFS even I know how to implement this properly and I dont even know much programming and have no formal training in web design. I made a post on it before where I go into as much detail as I can strategies. I suggest the devs check it out. Oh and key devs if you dont want to be fired just admit you can't do it without shitting up the site for everyone else like this if you can't because if you shit up the site and it loses profits you're going to be the ones to blame by your employers.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2097150
Since a few mods clearly are the only ones who pushed for this because they think it would be easier to moderate I propose an alternative. Instead of this conversation view the devs should have just made it so you can click somewhere in a post and all the comments from messages that quote eachother show up right next to eachother either on a separate page view in a new tab or as a popup in the page, perhapts just as a moderator tool if it otherwise would cause confusion for users. This would be far easier to develop and maintain and you wouldn't be angering the vast majority of all users with how you ruined the forum functionality and design to be hideous and intrusive and useless. I made a suggestion thread for this
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115391
Likewise for a long time i have pushed and pushed for the devs to put in user controlled blacklists where there is a box they can type diffent words and phrases in that will automatically filter posts and threads. Then the moderation would be largely taken off the moderators and into the hands of users as it should be instead of the mods trying to babysit us like we are three year olds. Here is the suggestion thread for this with more details
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945901
This kind of shit wil cause MAL to lose any new users and many old users to AniList or Anime Planet because the forums is all that built the community to begin with and the site will slow down and be down more because of "conversation view" (which i explain below) and messing up "classic view" for a layout and interaction redesign no one asked for. MAL will risk shutting down. The site owners will lose a LOT of money too so they better pay attention
Cant edit posts can only quick edit even if you click "more" then "edit" which means no fixing errors in polls and thread titles. I reported it as a bug.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114740
Cant quote users the quote button is gone again. Instead you have reply which causes you to @ a user and you are replying in a box below the user. Why inconvenience users forcing them to highlight text in a post just to quote a user then copy and paste it manually if they want to quote multiple users? In fact you can't even properly quote a user because of this because it removes all context and doesnt hyperlink back to the post to follow the conversation without requiring a page reload which will put strain on the servers. This would be putting more strain on the servers on top of that from users replying to user after user in what they previously could have easily done in a single post. MAL will be slower than ever and be not accessible at times from this. I reported it as a bug because no design team or dev of any competency would think this is a good idea as it is.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2114738
Post preview when making a thread has a redundancy where you have two preview buttons. I assume that is temporary though? Dont really have issue with the new preview but that wont distract from what was taken away.
No one should accept this. Everyone pay attention, dont be fooled. It was the same problems the initial rollout that had everyone complaining to the point eventually they rolled it back and they just reintroduced it again with no improvements to the classic view this is still alpha level of coding where it's causing design and functionality losses to the site.
FFS even I know how to implement this properly and I dont even know much programming and have no formal training in web design. I made a post on it before where I go into as much detail as I can strategies. I suggest the devs check it out. Oh and key devs if you dont want to be fired just admit you can't do it without shitting up the site for everyone else like this if you can't because if you shit up the site and it loses profits you're going to be the ones to blame by your employers.
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2097150
Since a few mods clearly are the only ones who pushed for this because they think it would be easier to moderate I propose an alternative. Instead of this conversation view the devs should have just made it so you can click somewhere in a post and all the comments from messages that quote eachother show up right next to eachother either on a separate page view in a new tab or as a popup in the page, perhapts just as a moderator tool if it otherwise would cause confusion for users. This would be far easier to develop and maintain and you wouldn't be angering the vast majority of all users with how you ruined the forum functionality and design to be hideous and intrusive and useless. I made a suggestion thread for this
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2115391
Likewise for a long time i have pushed and pushed for the devs to put in user controlled blacklists where there is a box they can type diffent words and phrases in that will automatically filter posts and threads. Then the moderation would be largely taken off the moderators and into the hands of users as it should be instead of the mods trying to babysit us like we are three year olds. Here is the suggestion thread for this with more details
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945901
traed said: Cant quote users the quote button is gone again. Instead you have reply which causes you to @ a user and you are replying in a box below the user. Why inconvenience users forcing them to highlight text in a post just to quote a user then copy and paste it manually if they want to quote multiple users? In fact you can't even properly quote a user because of this because it removes all context and doesnt hyperlink back to the post to follow the conversation without requiring a page reload which will put strain on the servers. This would be putting more strain on the servers on top of that from users replying to user after user in what they previously could have easily done in a single post. MAL will be slower than ever and be not accessible at times from this. I reported it as a bug because no design team or dev of any competency would think this is a good idea as it is. I think exactly the same! I am having ultra trouble to quote multiple ppl so there is no other way than to double triple or spam posts!! As you said there is no way to link the quoted msg! this is infuriating me now whenever I want to reply to someone!!!!! also that conversation view is broken it doesn't show all posts! Just checked it myself 2 out of 3 of my posts are not showing on other topic... |
| (づ￣ ³￣)づ ちゅっ ちゅっ キス (´｡✪ω✪｡｀) I hate it when anime/manga that I enjoyed ends, especially when there could be much longer plot and when I love main heroine :P I wish I had magic glasses that let me see real world in anime colors ;) |
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